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[DebG]

Will Harvey's Elementary and Harvey's Revised be enough English for our High School years and enough to prepare them for college?
Our plan is: The course of Classical Writing, Both Harvey's Books and the 4 years of Latin in the Christian Trivium. Will these be enough to prepare our students for college. Will we need anything else in the Language arts compartment?
~Deb

[Carolyn]

Harvey's Elementary and Revised are definitely sufficient grammar to prepare a student for most colleges. Combined with real-life application, as we do in Classical Writing, it will give you plenty of practice both in the theory of English grammar, and in the practical application.

Carolyn

[Lene Mahler Jaqua]

You would also need to cover Formal Logic through a course, and of course apply the writing skills in all the other areas.

I am not quite sure what you include when you say language arts, but I would also add literature and extensive broad reading of the great books.

Lene

[DebG]

Okay..I am having some lose ends to tie up in my head.

Lose ends regarding Harvey's:

Would this be how to use the Two Harvey's books through out the course of the Classical Writing books.....

The Harvey's Elementary Book is used with Homer A though Diogenes Chreia right? (This would be about 5th or 6th grade through 8th or 9th grade. )
Once the Harvey's Elementary book is worked through once, would the student then work through the Harvey's Revised book on his own when doing Herodotus then use the Harvey's Revised book for the remaining years (Herodotus & Demosthenes) as a reference book?
(In Chart Form):
Homer A: 1/4 Harvey's Elementary (w/ workbook Part I )
Homer B: 1/4 Harvey's Elementary (w/ workbook Part II)
D. Maxim: 1/4 Harvey's Elementary (w/ workbook Part III)
D. Chreia: 1/4 Harvey's Elementary (w/ workbook Part IV)
Herodotus: Harvey's Revised (working through as a text)
Plutarch: Harvey's Revised used as a Reference
Demosthenes: Harvey's Revised used as Reference

~Now, here's some more of my confusion: I have been reading through other posts and it was recommended to start Harvey's Revised about 7th grade. Would this mean that they would be doing the Harvey's Revised and not the Elementary w/ the two Diogenes books and then for the remaining years, Herodotus, Plutarch & Demosthenes, Harvey's Revised would be used only as a reference?

(Looking more like this):
Homer A: 1/4 Harvey's Elementary (w/ workbook Part I )
Homer B: 1/4 Harvey's Elementary (w/ workbook Part II)
D. Maxim: 1/4 Harvey's Revised (w/ workbook Part III) ?
D. Chreia: 1/4 Harvey's Revised (w/ workbook Part IV) ?
Herodotus: Harvey's Revised used as a Reference ?
Plutarch: Harvey's Revised used as a Reference ?
Demosthenes: Harvey's Revised used as Reference ?
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Now for the Lose ends regarding Logic:

What Classical Writing Books do we line up with what logic books?

Memoria Press: *(or Canon Press?)
8th: D. Maxim -->Traditional Logic I *(or Intro to Logic)
9th: D. Chreia --->Traditional Logic II *(or Intermediate Logic)
10th: Herodotus--->Material Logic (would we need this?)
11th: Plutarch --->Rhetoric *(or Classical Rhetoric)

~Deb

[Carolyn]

Your grammar study with Harvey's can be pretty flexible. As you work through Homer and Diogenes, you'll come across grammar topics to cover at that point, or before that point.

In general, Harvey's Elementary Part I is covered in Homer. You can use Harvey's Revised instead, if you want. The material is covered in a bit more depth, and we have no separate workbooks for the Revised, but it's quite usable. Part III, Punctuation, can be covered at this time as well.

Harvey's Elementary Part II is covered during Diogenes. Part II adds a few things to the parsing routine and gives you more practice with what was learned in Part I.

The Revised Grammar is really just more of the Elementary, with the addition of sections on orthography and prosody.

I'll let Lene address the logic portion of your question.

Carolyn

[Lene Mahler Jaqua]

Carolyn answered your grammar questions. I will tie up with the logic and rhetoric.

1. logic, we recommend Cothran's Traditional Logic concurrent with Herodotus.... not necessary, but recommended.

2. we will cover all material logic directly in the books

3. we will cover all rhetoric directly in the books.

Lene

[DebG]

~ Does "Part I", on the front of the Harvey's Workbooks, indicate that this workbook deals with Part I in the Harvey's Text or that it is part I of more Workbooks?

BTW, Thank you for being patient with me (with all of us for that matter) You know, with Harvey's English (which I know very little of ) Classical Writing (all new to me ) and Logic (not a clue ) I feel like I am Eliza Doolilttle !! But I really want to be educated the right way! "I'm a good girl, I am!"
Professor Henry Higgins, Can you make something of me???

Sometimes I step back and wonder how I am going to do all this.
It's going to be a long road..Please don't give up on us! ;D
~Deb
who has "miles to go before I sleep"

[Carolyn]

The 'Part I' Harvey's Workbook lines up with 'Part I' of Harvey's Elementary Grammar.

Harvey's Elementary Grammar is divided into three parts: Grammar, Syntax-Composition, and Punctuation.

Our 'Part I' workbook can be used with Part I of Harvey's, and also Part III.

Our forthcoming 'Part II' workbook can be used with Part II of Harvey's, and also Part III.

Carolyn