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Post by laurieincarmel on Aug 14, 2009 19:48:58 GMT -5
I just purchased Homer for Older Beginners and would appreciate some help on outlining. We have used IEW in the past. They taught for each paragraph you would go sentence by sentence, outlining 2-5 key words for each. Am I understanding correctly that in Homer the students outlines using Theon's components? After answering these 6 questions, they should write their draft? Is there some other method of outlining that I am missing?
I will admit that I have not read all of the core book. I'm working on it, but need to begin teaching before I finish. This is quite a mind sift from IEW and I'm a bit unsure of myself. I find I keep re-reading, trying to pull this all together.
Thanks for your help,
Laurie
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Post by Lene Mahler Jaqua on Aug 15, 2009 13:40:02 GMT -5
Please tell me what lesson you are in in Homer. That way I can answer you more specifically. We do several different types of outlining in Homer, both key words, but also summary sentence outlining.
The point in the early lessons is merely to summarize a paragraph with an outline that will help you retell the story. So don't get hung up in the technical details. Your outline is a tool you use to take notes in so you can recall what was said later. It has no formal precise way that it MUST be done. It is there to serve you when it comes to retelling narratives.
Lene
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Post by Laurie on Aug 15, 2009 15:35:03 GMT -5
Hi Lene,
I am looking at Writing Project 1, and Theon's six components. This is our first year with Classical Writing. My kids are 12 & 13 years old. As I said, we have been using IEW's approach to outlining, which is writing 3-5 key words per sentence. I did not purchase the Aesop core book, so I plan to use Homer's writing project 1 lessons for week 1 & 2 Aesop & Homer Older Beginners. I hope that makes sense.
I plan to have them answer the basic questions and complete Theon's six components for The Fox and the Crow fable, and do the same for week 2, The Parable of the Good Samaritan. I didn't know at this point whether they should also do a key word outline. While the key word outline would work for this fable, when they get into longer narratives, such as the parable, it seems this approach would be tedious.
Thanks for your direction.
Laurie
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Post by Laurie on Aug 15, 2009 16:34:29 GMT -5
Hi Lene,
When you are able to answer my previous question, I would appreciate some additional direction on the Grammar Theory section. My son has completed Rod & Staff 7th grade English. I did not purchase Harvey's Grammar since I read somewhere that it was for up to 6th grade. I do have R&S's English Handbook. How do I coordinate the theory section with the handbook? Should I have him review the appropriate sections in the handbook that are shown in the theory section. As an example, week 2 shows Harvey section 7-8 (noun, number), and further shows Notebook: noun, common noun, proper noun, singular, plural. I can have him read the sections in the R&S Handbook, but I have no exercises that coordinate. I was hoping the exercises in the Older Beginners workbook would be enough, and I did not need to have him continue separate grammar exercises.
Can I have your thoughts please?
Thanks,
Laurie
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Post by greengables on Aug 17, 2009 6:15:45 GMT -5
Laurie, I'm standing in here for Lene today.  On Writing Project 1, if your students can retell the narrative with the notes from Theon, that is perfect. If they need a bit more of an outline, it's fine to have them write up a short key word outline. The point is to help them retell the narrative accurately, and as Lene said, the outline at this point is just to serve them in that. With the longer narratives, if we do a key word type outline, we do it for several sentences or a whole paragraph at a time so that it is not so tedious. That plus Theon's Components usually gives them all the help they need to retell accurately. Later they will learn summary sentence outlining for longer, more complicated narratives. The purpose of that is actually learning how to outline in addition to aiding recall. Hope that clarifies for you. If not, ask again! Kathy |
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Post by greengables on Aug 17, 2009 6:27:09 GMT -5
Laurie,
We actually use the Harvey's book until 8th grade along with Diogenes. The grammar in Harvey's Elementary is quite advanced and adequate for teaching students into high school, particularly for students who are taking a classical language and getting additional grammar instruction that way. I used R&S earlier in my home schooling, and I liked it, but it doesn't even approach the depth of Harvey's Elementary. I am very happy I made the switch.
That said, you can certainly use R&S and coordinate your Homer studies with it. Whether your son needs additional exercises over and above what is provided in Harvey's is really up to you. If he understands and applies the grammar concepts with no trouble, you will probably be fine. If you feel he needs extra practice, you may want to consider moving to Harvey's.
Kathy
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On Writing Project 1, if your students can retell the narrative with the notes from Theon, that is perfect. If they need a bit more of an outline, it's fine to have them write up a short key word outline. The point is to help them retell the narrative accurately, and as Lene said, the outline at this point is just to serve them in that.